What if my horse dies away from home?

17 02 2012

To continue in our theme of equine insurance related matters, let’s talk about the scenario where your horse passes away while boarding somewhere other than your home stable.

I was recently asked if equine mortality insurance would pay an otherwise valid death claim where a horse died while stabled somewhere away from home, such as at a horse show or at a lessee’s facility (if you’ve leased out the horse).  That was a very good question.  According to Lucinda Human, owner of Star H Equine Insurance of Advance, North Carolina, most all equine mortality policies provide mortality coverage if the animal dies anywhere in the continental United States.  For additional premium, you can obtain shipping and overseas coverage as well.  However, Lucinda and I both suggest that if you plan to send your horse anywhere away from home, you take a close look at your policy (or have a professional review it for you) just to double check to see if the horse is covered where it will be stabled and whether you have any obligation to notify the company in the event you relocate the animal.

If you have further equine insurance related questions or needs, checkout Star H’s website at www.starhinsurance.com.  Lucinda Human would be happy to speak with you as well and help you determine what coverages you need based upon your personal situation.

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Happy Riding!





Read Read Read those Equine Insurance Policies!

29 12 2011

Interesting question just arose recently and I thought I would share some thoughts on it….

There are many different types of insurance someone involved with horses might obtain.  Equine Mortality, Equine Liability, Equine Instructor and on and on.  If you can think of it, it probably exists somewhere already OR can be created by what we call a “surplus lines” insurance carrier (Lloyd’s of London is the surplus lines carrier which most folks have heard of – they basically “create” all sorts of unique policies for unique situations – for example, these “hole in one” contests you see at golf courses are frequently insured so that if someone makes a hole in one the charity or golf course doesn’t have to fork out the prize money – and surplus lines carriers like Lloyd’s of London usually write these kinds of unique, unconventional policies).

So, now that we’ve established you can buy insurance for virtually any risk you can conceive, you need to be sure that what you’ve bought covers the risk you’re concerned about and if it doesn’t, you need to either (a) expand your coverage and request an endorsement or additional policy to cover that risk or (b) don’t engage in activities that would give rise to the uncovered risk.

What does all that mean in plain old American English?  Well, let me give you an example.  A while ago I had a client who was a riding instructor.  Let’s call her Stephanie.  Stephanie, very responsibly, purchased an “Instructor’s Liability” insurance policy.  She thought she was good to go.  Time goes on, Stephanie pays the premiums on the policy and feels good about her coverage.  She has a student, we’ll call her Annie, who owns a horse.  We’ll call the horse Chief.  Annie doesn’t have enough time to ride Chief so she asks Stephanie about whether Stephanie knows anyone who might like to half-lease Chief and ride him 3 days a week.  Stephanie has several other students who don’t own horses and usually just ride lesson horses owned by the stable.  After Stephanie mentions Annie’s situation to them, one of her other students, Jane, decides she would like to try Chief to see if she might like to half-lease him from Annie.  Stephanie tells Annie that Jane might be interested and Annie gets very excited and asks Stephanie when Jane might be able to come sit on Chief and try him out.  Stephanie talks with Jane and the three of them agree to come out to the stable on a Saturday so that Jane can try Chief and Stephanie can watch Jane ride Chief and see if she thinks they are a good match and then advise Annie of her thoughts on the issue.

Well, you probably already guessed that the trial ride didn’t go well.  When Jane tried to climb on Chief (even with the aid of a mounting block), she somehow managed to pull Chief down on top of her, crushing her ankle.  Stephanie and Annie were in shock, having never seen such a thing occur in all their many years of riding (nor have I, for that matter).  Of course they immediately ran to Jane’s aid and helped get Chief up and off of her and called 911.  Jane went to the hospital and had her ankle set and put in a cast.  Now she’s suing Stephanie, Annie and the owner of the stable where she tried Chief for the medical bills, lost wages from having to be out of work as well as for pain and suffering.

Stephanie originally wasn’t overly concerned because she knew she had insurance and so she called her insurance company to report the lawsuit.  They hired a lawyer to advise Stephanie (us) and we thought things were okay.  Then, after their initial analysis of the situation the insurance company called and told Stephanie that they were sorry but this incident was not covered by Stephanie’s insurance policy because it did not occur in the course of Stephanie acting as an instructor.  In other words, if Jane had scheduled a riding lesson with Stephanie and this had happened when Jane went to get on Chief for her lesson, it would be covered.  But because Stephanie was just there to watch Jane ride Chief to assess their compatibility as horse and rider, and not as Jane’s instructor, it wasn’t covered.  A very technical distinction, but the different was night and day to Stephanie.

Needless to say, this denial of coverage has been financially devastating for Stephanie, who has had to pay a lawyer out of her own pocket to defend the lawsuit.  Like most riding instructors, Stephanie does not make a huge salary.  Her only other choice was not to fight the lawsuit and then end up with a default judgment against her for the full amount of the damages claimed by Jane.  That judgment could potentially follow Stephanie around for the next 20 years, so she felt like she had no choice but to fight the lawsuit.

Moral of the story:  Read your insurance policies carefully.  Make sure they cover all the situations you’re worried about and if they don’t, talk with your insurance agent about getting more coverage for the things you are concerned about.  And, if you can’t afford the additional coverage, you may have to decide not to participate in certain activities because they are not covered by your insurance policy.  Stephanie now wishes she had not agreed to watch Jane ride Chief because just the simple act of her being present has resulted in Stephanie now having to defend herself in a lawsuit in which she should not be involved at all.  READ YOUR POLICIES!

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Happy Riding!





Why Can’t I Send my Lame Leased Horse Back to the Owner?

13 09 2011

One provision that folks always ask me about in horse leases is whether or not they can return the leased horse if it goes lame. After all, nobody wants to pay board on a horse they can’t ride! They need to free up that money to pay board for a horse they CAN ride…..

If you’re lucky and the horse’s owner is a real softie who wants his or her baby back home if he or she goes lame, then you may be able to negotiate in the lease your ability to send the horse home if it’s lame for more than a certain number of days (in a row or in total, just depends on how the lease is written). That’s ideal for lessees because you aren’t paying for something you can’t use. Even if you lose your lease fee (pretty typical that you would), at least you’re not having to pay board every month.

Now, more typical when the quality of the horse goes up (and the price, of course), is for the owner of the horse to provide in the lease that you cannot return the horse if it goes lame. When I first entered horse leasing world I thought that was the most outrageous thing I’d ever heard, especially as a lawyer. There is no where else in law where if what you’re leasing “breaks” you can’t have a resolution that “fixes” things for you.

Well, as we all know, horses are anything but typical and similarly horse business transactions are anything but typical.

The truth of the matter is that if you own a really nice horse, it’s scary to lease it out. You try to do research on the lessee but you never know how someone will treat your animal when you’re not around. So, if your lessee knows that they will be responsible for paying to board this animal even if it goes lame, they are very likely to make dang sure the animal does NOT go lame. That means better, more attentive care for the leased horse. I have to say that now having seen so many situations where lameness was an issue, if I owned a horse I wanted to lease out, I would probably have a provision making it my option whether the lessee had to keep the horse or send it back if it went lame. It would likely depend on the person leasing and how much I knew about them. You’re balancing your desire to force the lessee to take good care of the horse and keep the horse healthy with your desire to take care of it yourself if something does go wrong, so it’s not an easy decision for the owner.

But now you understand why so many owners, especially when we’re talking expensive animals, will not allow a return of the animal for lameness during the lease term!

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Happy Riding!





Stick your nose under that horse’s skirt!

9 06 2010

Got an email from a very nice lady the other day who found out the horse she bought the day before had some health issues that weren’t disclosed by the seller.  When I asked if she had a pre-purchase examination by a veterinarian she said no.  Big mistake.

It’s perfectly reasonable and, in fact, should be anticipated that you want to stick your nose under a prospective mount’s skirt, so to speak.  You have every right to know what’s going on under there!

It’s not that all folks selling horses are dishonest.  They aren’t.  Some are, that’s for sure, but many horse sellers are great folks.  The problem is that horses are complicated beasts from just about every perspective you can imagine, whether it be physiological, mental, logistical, educational….and lots of other “als.”  The result of their complicated nature is that often times they will have latent (not obvious) medical issues that aren’t evident to anyone, even folks who handle them every day.  Sometimes it’s not until you try to use that horse for a specific purpose that you have in mind or have a particular person sit on that horse that the issue becomes evident.  I’ve seen one person sit on a horse and the horse trotted around totally sound and then another person sits on him and he’s lame.  First person gets back on and horse is sound again, all in a period of about 5 minutes.  Weird.  Complicated.

Accordingly, please, please, please don’t be cheap and try to save a few hundred dollars on your horse purchase transaction when you’re spending thousands purchasing the animal.  It’s not worth the risk you take.  And relying on old vet records isn’t much better than doing nothing.  Perhaps worse.

If you’re buying a horse or leasing a horse long term (6 months or more) get a pre-purchase (or pre-lease, as the case may be) examination done by a reputable veterinarian who does NOT have a relationship with the Seller.   It will only cost you a $100-$300, depending on whether you want x-rays or not and that could save you exponentially more than that in the event the horse has a significant issue.  I have had more than one vet tell me that she or he would always get a lameness exam, overall health check, blood draw, proof of current vaccinations and x-rays of the hocks and front feet no matter what you’re doing with the horse.   And if the horse is going to be ridden for any purpose, make sure the vet observes the horse’s movement with the relevant person seated on the horse.  Some horses’  bodies just aren’t compatible with certain folks’ body type and you need to know it up front if that’s the case.

Unfortunately we don’t have “lemon laws” with regard to horses like we do with automobiles.  Once you have parted with the purchase money, you will have a hard time getting it back from the seller unless you can show with convincing proof that the seller actively misrepresented the horse to you, altered documents, forged signatures, etc….. and even then you would likely have to sue that person.   And suing someone is expensive.  A lot more expensive than that pre-purchase exam would have been 🙂

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Happy riding!





Old Time Horse Traders are Alive and Well – Buyer Beware!!

6 05 2010

Once upon a time one of my favorite clients decided he wanted to start a horse business.  Not being an expert himself, not knowing the “tricks of the trade,” so to speak, and just knowing he really enjoyed riding and being around horses, he enlisted the help of a cousin who had grown up with horses and knew something about their care, training and riding.   We’ll call my client John.  John had done very well for himself in the business world and had been fortunate enough to retire at a young age.  He wanted to do some fun things and allow his cousin to work somewhere where he could really enjoy doing what he loved – working with horses.

John bought a beautiful piece of property and built a beautiful barn.  Now, he needed horses.  Some friends introduced him to a local horse trader/broker who was experienced with Western horses, the kind his aunt really enjoyed.  Folks said that Billy could help him set up a good Western Pleasure barn.  John met Billy and enjoyed his company.  Billy was funny, friendly and seemed to know a lot about horses.  Billy told John he could find him a great breeding stallion and John told him to go for it.   John visited Billy’s farm where Billy lived in a broken down mobile home and had a few horses living in paddocks made from temporary metal fencing and in a pre-fabricated metal barn.   In retrospect, Billy’s meager existence should have probably set off a few bells in John’s head, but oftentimes hard core horse folks live very sparsely because they spend all their time and money on their horses.  But for future reference, most really successful, well respected horses traders/brokers probably don’t live like Billy lived and their horses are probably in a little better shape than Billy’s horses were in.  But a little charisma goes a long way and Billy had charisma in spades.

Billy reported back that he had found a champion Western Pleasure stallion that he loved.  John read about the stallion online and saw lots of photographs of the stallion.   He liked what he saw so he told Billy to buy him.  Billy inquired and came back to John with a full report.  The stallion was named Lucky and his purchase price was $100,000.  If John wanted Lucky he would need to act quickly, Billy said, because two other folks were looking at Lucky (no 2010 Derby pun intended ;-)).  John obediently put $100,000 in Billy’s checking account because, after all, Billy was a local guy who knew everyone, so how risky could that be?

Billy delivered Lucky to John’s beautiful new facility – he was a truly impressive and beautiful animal.  John was happy with his purchase and Lucky settled in nicely.  They began marketing Lucky and he was very popular with the ladies, so to speak, and things were going well.  Lucky produced beautiful foals the first breeding year, which was a great indicator of a successful breeding future for Lucky and the barn.  Billy was also helping John buy brood mares and other horses while helping to train Lucky’s offspring.   Billy found some experienced horsemen to work at the barn for John and they became part of the barn family.  Billy was definitely a trusted member of the farm’s inner circle.

The one frustrating thing about Billy was that he was, like so many horse folks, a little disorganized when it came to proper documentation of horse transactions.  The paperwork was always spotty because Billy had things to do, horses to move and train and places to go.  It wasn’t until John’s CPA began fussing about how in the world she was supposed to handle the farm’s books and tax returns that folks started noticing that things looked a little fishy with Billy.  Everytime the CPA would call Billy and ask for paperwork, he would have some excuse about why he couldn’t find it, didn’t have it or he would promise to send it later and wouldn’t.  This buck-passing went on and on until I was talking with the CPA one day and she asked me to start pressing Billy for the paperwork.

Eventually Billy slipped up and some paperwork showed up that didn’t exactly match his oral description of the transaction it described.  Billy had an explanation, of course, but then there was another situation where a neighbor knew the seller of one of the horses which John now owned who mentioned what a steal John had gotten on that horse, having paid only paid $5,000 for it.  John was puzzled when he heard this from the neighbor because he thought Billy said that horse cost $10,000.  John began to notice other inconsistences and uncertainties because once you’re tuned in and looking for these things, they become more evident to you.

Because Lucky was such an expensive horse, the CPA absolutely put her foot down and said that she had to have some documentation verifying his cost.  After weeks of  promising and not producing anything, Billy finally faxed a faint, smudged up copy of a cancelled check for $100,000 to the CPA.  What Billy didn’t realize was that any sophisticated horse thief would realize that when a bank cancels a check they run it through a machine which types the amount for which the check was negotiated across the bottom and on the back of the check, albeit buried amongst a lot of other reference numbers and letters.  There on the back and front (Billy had faxed both sides), clear as a bell, were the numbers “$30,000” typed on the check.    Then it all hit the proverbial fan.  Now you experienced horse folks will be saying “that’s the oldest trick in the book” and you’re right.  Yet somehow people still seem to get away with it every day in the horse world.

Billy was discharged from the farm and John sued him for the $70,000 that he overpaid for Lucky plus another $30,000 or so that he had been overcharged on some other horses Billy bought for him.  Billy kept re-creating various scenarios to explain all the money overages in an effort to get himself out of the way of the quickly approaching legal train that was about to run him over.

It’s amazing what a little videotaped deposition in a small room with a bright light on the deponent can do.  I’ve never seen any human being sweat, literally, as much as Billy sweated during his deposition in that case.  He was literally dripping sweat, soaking all the papers on the table in front of him.  The old “hot light” treatment worked and Billy cracked under the pressure, admitted having altered the check he used to pay for Lucky – using good old “white out” to modify the number from $30,000 to $100,000 in order to back up his fabricated story of a $100,000 purchase price.  He even produced the actual check, complete with white out on it.   We all just shook our heads in disbelief, including Billy’s lawyer.

We mediated the case the next day and Billy didn’t have a lot of money, so he agreed to pay John back every penny within a year and John was given a deed of trust (mortgage) on Billy’s farm.  The facilities weren’t much, but thankfully the underlying land was beautiful, so we felt comfortable that it was worth at least what Billy owed John – and Billy did own it free and clear when we put John’s mortgage on the record.   Billy managed to scrounge up enough money over the next year to pay John back in full.  Lord knows where he came up with that money and whether it too was ill gotten gains, but he did pay John back.

Moral of the story:  Pay attention.  Before even considering using a particular horse trader/broker, ask around the area for references.  Go to the most respected horse folks in your disclipline in the area and in the state and ask if they have ever heard of the person before.  One benefit of the horse world is that it is an incredibly small world and everyone tends to know everyone else.  They may not all like each other, but they will have probably heard of someone who is very successful and you want to know their opinion, good or bad.  You may have to filter your results because, for example, you might know that “Bobby Sue hates everyone who isn’t from York County,” so it’s no wonder she says your broker is a crook, etc. but you should ask around a lot, nonetheless and only go with a broker after you are comfortable that lots of folks have gotten what they’ve paid for with that broker.

**Note:  of course the facts and names in the above story have been altered somewhat to protect my client’s privacy and preserve any privileged information.  But the essence of the story is there and the lesson to be learned remains the same.

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Hope you enjoy riding in this beautiful Spring weather!





Give me back my horse!

10 03 2010

As I continue my representation of horse owners in North Carolina, I am beginning to realize how often possession of the horse is the issue, whether it’s getting possession, finding someone to take possession or keeping someone from taking possession – and how third parties unwittingly get stuck in the middle of these disputes and undoubtedly wish they hadn’t!

Recently I was engaged by a very nice couple from the northeast to help them get their horse back from their trainer.  The trainer had moved the horse and they weren’t sure where the horse was.  The relationship with the trainer had deteriorated significantly into screaming matches between the owners and the trainer, with the precious daughter who loved and showed the horse getting caught in the crossfire.  The couple was upset, said that the trainer had threatened them that they would never see their horse again and they wanted me to get an emergency court order forcing the trainer to give up possession of the horse to them.

Now all of us who are “horse people” know how emotional we get about our mounts.  We love them, probably too much, and treat them sometimes like they are a pet or a child, which we know objectively that they aren’t – but we can’t help it.  So, when someone threatens to take our “baby” from us, we flip out.  It’s understandable, but it’s something that all of us must guard against because that kind of raw emotion causes us to do things that aren’t rational and may not be in the best interests of the horse or ourselves, not to mention others caught in the fray.

Some trigger-happy lawyers might burst into the courtroom, spending tons of the clients’ money and causing a storm of activity and emotion.  And that fuss might make the clients feel better or vindicated for a little while.  But once the reality of the cost and the emotional exhaustion set in they will probably realize that the drama wasn’t really necessary – 99% of the time.  And it’s likely that a court is NOT going to order the horse returned without substantial proof – proof which is often hard to produce on a moment’s notice.  For example, in the case I’m talking about, the trainer had possession of the horse’s registration papers and the Bill of Sale where the owners purchased the horse.  It takes a while to re-create these kinds of documents and they are what you’re going to need to convince a judge to order a horse returned to you – maybe.  If the trainer can show that you owe him or her boarding fees or training fees then there is a good argument that the trainer may have a lien on the animal to the extent of those unpaid fees.   Such a lien will likely cause a judge not to order the animal returned until the debt underlying that lien is paid in full.

Back to the story.  After I got all the facts and was formally engaged by the owners I got the name and number for the trainer with whom they were battling and just called him, telling him I had been retained by the owners and was on a peace mission to see if we couldn’t get the matter resolved without having to get nastier than things already were.  Lo and behold, the trainer was a very nice guy from the western part of the state and really felt bad about the whole situation.   I was able to defuse the situation such that my clients paid the past due fees and he had a neutral driver deliver the horse to a neutral place for the owners to pick up.  It all worked out fine without a huge legal battle.  Saved everyone a ton of money on legal fees, which is always good, even for me.  Folks think lawyers just want to run up legal bills but most of us really don’t, because if you get what you need without doing that, you’ll recommend us to the next person who needs help.  And lawyers that do “run up the bill” usually end up with clients who are very unhappy and that’s not good for the lawyer, no matter how much money is involved.

The bottom line in the situation I was handling was that the owners were from the northeast and from a very different background where negotiations and communications generally were handled differently than they are typically handled by trainers native to North Carolina.  Each had unwittingly made the other mad without intending to and then things just snowballed because of what they both thought the other one was doing or meant to do.

Lessons to be learned:

1.  Be aware of your audience when communicating about your horse and don’t hesitate to make your expectations clear up front in a gentle and friendly way.  It’s really true that, as we say in the South, “you get more with honey than vinegar.”

2.  Put things in writing, for heaven’s sake.  I do believe that the horse industry is one of the most undocumented industries in the world, for various reasons, but oral agreements are recipes for disaster that you can easily avoid.  Better to have a lawyer help you document, but even a handwritten note signed by both sides is often better than nothing written at all.

3.  Keep in YOUR possession the original (or at least a copy, if the trainer must hold the original) of your horse’s ownership papers (registration papers, Bill of Sale, Coggins, etc.).

4.  Remember the horse is not a pet, not a child and try to maintain some sense of objectivity when dealing with disputes involving your barn, your trainer, etc.  If you can’t seem to maintain a sense of professionalism, call me at 919-881-2206 or another equine lawyer for help in handling the matter.  Oftentimes the lawyer, although an expense for you, can resolve the matter more quickly that you will be able to and sometimes for very little in the way of fees.  My fees in handling the return of the horse described above were less than $500.

So the happy ending to the story is that the trainer got paid, the owners and their sweet daughter got the horse back and no one spent a fortune on lawyers!

Dottie Burch

dburch@rl-law.com

Ragsdale Liggett PLLC (www.rl-law.com)

(919) 881-2206

**Note:  of course the facts and names in the above story have been altered somewhat to protect my client’s privacy and preserve any privileged information.  But the essence of the story is there and the lessons to be learned remain the same.

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.





Barn Employees versus Independent Contractors

5 10 2009

Just worked with a very nice lady on the issue of whether her barn workers could be independent contractors. It’s a question that many folks in the equine industry deal with not only with barn workers, but also with grooms, trainers and other service providers.

The bottom line is that the more you control the why, where and when of what this person does, the more likely the person is to be considered by the IRS to be an employee. Why do they care? Because if someone is your employee you pay a portion of their taxes by withholding certain amounts from their paychecks. While we as barn owners would prefer that they all be independent contractors, often they really should be, and would be if the IRS knew about it, employees of the barn owner.

If someone working for you does the same work for other folks and is generally available to the public for the same type of work (like a farrier typically is, for example), then they are more likely to survive your classifying them as an independent contractor.

However, if your worker only works for you the majority of the time and you tell him/her where to be and what to do and how to do it, they are most likely to be considered an employee of the barn.

Also don’t forget that you have more legal liability for a worker’s actions when he/she is an employee (or could be considered an employee), so be sure your insurance liability coverage is adequate (as much as you can afford) and covers the actions of your employees (and independent contractors, if you can manage that too).

Dottie Burch

dburch@rl-law.com

Ragsdale Liggett PLLC (www.rl-law.com)

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.





Horse & Buggy Law?

25 06 2009

Horses and buggies, horses and carriages, horses and wagons….they all evoke an image of yesteryear that most of us enjoy, especially us horse folks.  In fact, my groom and I were whisked away from our wedding reception in a beautiful carriage driven by a gorgeous Belgian draft horse named Tinkerbell.

But then reality strikes and I get a call from a potential client [we’ll call her Jane] who owns a horse and carriage company and who has a problem.  She is a retired horse trainer who now runs a little carriage business and loves it.  She goes to the town square and gives carriage rides on holidays and trailers her horse and carriage to private parties and other engagements.

Back at Christmastime she was working the town square giving sweet Christmas carriage tours of the historic district with her vintage carriage and her beautiful, bombproof Percheron mare named Angel.  Christmas music was playing and snow was falling.  It was a picture perfect sight and her passengers were mesmerized by the beautiful weather, the beautiful horse and the beautiful carriage.

Unfortunately things sometimes happen that we don’t anticipate.  A local n’er do well was buzzing down main street on his scooter (of course because he had so many DWI convictions that he had lost his driver’s license), his shoes held together with duct tape and his attitude even more ragged.  He decided it would be really funny to pop a wheelie on his scooter directly in front of Angel.  Angel and the carriage were patiently waiting at a stop light when the miscreant popped his wheelie and screamed at her like a madman.

Being the saint that she is, Angel did not bolt or rear or buck.  She jumped to the side because the noise and quick movement startled her and when a 2000 lb Percheron jumps to the side, it’s a big movement.  Most fortunately, the passengers in the carriage were fine and Angel was fine.  However, the carriage and Jane weren’t so fine because the jolt snapped one of the rear vintage wooden carriage wheels in half.   Jane was the consummate professional, checking first to assure the well being of her customers and helping them out of the carriage once she confirmed they were fine.  Then Jane went to Angel and unhitched her from the carriage and checked her out physically.  Angel was fine.  She has seen lots of scary things before and been through extensive desensitization in her training to be a carriage horse, but even the most bombproof horses get startled every now and then.  Jane was proud of Angel for doing no more than jumping to the side and talked sweetly to her to let her know she had done a good job.

Jane got the wagon home on her trailer and called me to see if there was anything she could do to recover the cost of the repairs to the wagon from the thoughtless bum who thought it would be “funny” to scare her horse to death and risk the lives of lots of people in the process.

I asked her about the perpetrator and she told me he was the town bum of sorts, told me about the duct tape on his shoes, his multiple DWI convictions and that he was a transient, living with friends until they kicked him out and then moving on to the next one willing to take him in.  I told her that wasn’t good news because I was 99.9% sure he didn’t have any liability insurance coverage and she agreed.  We talked about the possibility of perhaps his having some liability coverage if his scooter were insured, but she didn’t think his scooter was big enough to even require license tags, much less insurance.  In NC there was a bill pending that would require insurance on scooters 50cc or larger but it was pulled from the floor of the legislature back in April 2009 for lack of support.  So no liability insurance coverage on him is likely available to help, we assume.

Next I ask Jane about her business insurance policy.  She apologizes and admits that she let it lapse a few months before the incident.  I reminded her that it was SO important for her protection that she have a policy, most especially since she was carrying around customers who could theoretically get hurt.  Also, certain types of policies would cover damage to the carriage in addition to liability coverage for injuries.   Yes, there are statutory protections for equine professionals that attempt to limit your liability for equine related damage and injury, but those statutory protections aren’t foolproof and you should not rely on those statutes to protect you from liability for something your horse might do, whether or not it’s the horse’s fault.  Find a knowledgeable insurance agent familiar with equine issues, describe your activities in detail to him or her and buy as much coverage as you can afford.  Frequently the cost to buy twice as much coverage is NOT twice the premium.  Insurance gets cheaper per dollar of coverage as you get more and more, so price out the big amounts of coverage, not just the small amounts, and you’ll be surprised at how affordable more coverage can be!

So, unfortunately, it looks like Jane is going to have to foot the bill for the damage to her carriage on her own.  She could sue the guy, but he has no assets or job and so that lawsuit would likely be a waste of her time and effort, not to mention filing fees, even if she were to sue him in small claims court where you can easily represent yourself.

Moral of this story:  Be sure to have lots of insurance coverage (as much as you can afford) if you engage in any type of business that involves horses and remember to be sure you have property damage coverage in addition to liability coverage.  When they are secured properly, one will pay for damage to things and the other will pay for damage to people or businesses.

Dottie Burch

dburch@rl-law.com

Ragsdale Liggett PLLC (www.rl-law.com)

(919) 881-2206

**Note:  Of course the names and facts of any situation described above have been altered slightly to protect my client’s privacy and preserve any privileged information.

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Happy riding and be careful out there!





Ponies on the loose!

11 06 2009

So, my name is Dottie Burch and I’m a business and real estate lawyer in Raleigh, North Carolina who loves horses, has horses and who has ended up doing so much horse related legal work that has decided to go ahead and make it a practice area for me and the firm.  Thus the birth of the Ragsdale Liggett PLLC Equine Law Group a few years ago.

Don’t know how often I will blog cause I’m thankfully busy at work, but I’ll put horsey related stuff up here that I think might be helpful to folks in the horse world.

The other day I got a call from someone who said her friend’s horses got out of the pasture and she was very distressed.  Apparently a car was driving down the road, saw the horses running around, but failed to slow down at all.  One of the loose horses, a pony, darted out in front of the car and was struck by the car.  Unfortunately the impact broke the pony’s leg and she had to be put down.  I don’t know if the pony was a fancy, expensive pony or a family pet.  The car that hit the pony was damaged too and the driver wanted the pony’s owner to pay for the damage to her car.  Of course she felt like this request was adding insult to injury because she had already lost her pony.  The girl emailing me wanted to know if her friend was liable for the car damage or whether the driver was liable for the pony’s injury & ultimate death.

What a horrible situation!  We all live in fear that our precious horses will get loose and get hurt, so I certainly understand the owner’s distress.  I would be devastated, I know.   Unfortunately in NC and every other state I know of, you are responsible for keeping your animals contained, whether they be dogs, cats, pigs, cows, horses or any other pet or farm animal.  If they get loose and do damage, you’re responsible and you should alert your liability insurance company if anything like this ever happens.  Some might say just pay the damage to the car yourself and don’t report it to the insurance company, but that’s risky because what if the driver develops an “injury” later that he or she attributes to the accident and you handled things on your own?   Then you’re potentially exposed for all damages from the accident personally if your insurance policy has an exclusion for things you don’t report to them on a timely basis (most do).  If you report it, you may get some insurance “points” but the driver will have to sign a release before they’ll get their money to fix their car and that release protects you from ever hearing from that driver again, so it’s worth it to call your insurance company 99% of the time.

Now, in this particular fact situation the driver was potentially negligent in not slowing down when he saw horses running all around the road.  In NC we call negligence by the person who got hurt “contributory negligence” and in NC if a victim is contributorily negligent, they are not supposed to be able to recover anything from you.  It’s supposed to be a “bar to recovery” by the victim.  As a practical matter, though, judges and juries don’t make it a total bar to recovery most of the time.  Usually they just subjectively attribute a percentage of the fault between the victim and the main cause of the injury and that reduces whatever damages the victim gets.  So if a judge or jury found that this driver was 50% negligent and the horse owner was 50% negligent, although technically the driver should get nothing because of the rules about contributory negligence, the driver might instead get half of his damages paid for by the horse owner (or his insurance company).

So, moral of the story – be sure your horses are well contained, carry good insurance with high limits (as much as you can afford) and if you see horses running all around a road or highway, call the owner if you know them or 911 if you don’t and SLOW DOWN as much as is safe under the circumstances.

Another horsey story coming next week – this one is about a horse and buggy, so tune in!

Dottie Burch

dburch@rl-law.com

Ragsdale Liggett PLLC (www.rl-law.com)

(919) 881-2206

**Note:  Of course the names and facts of any situation described above have been altered slightly to protect my client’s privacy and preserve any privileged information.

If you have a situation with some connection to North Carolina (I am only licensed in NC and cannot give advice regarding any other state’s laws) and get into a bind needing legal assistance or just want to ask some general questions to avoid getting in a bind, feel free to email me at dburch@rl-law.com.  I used to answer quick questions for free if I could, but I am getting so many calls for free legal advice that I am having to start charging a little something for an initial chat! A good problem to have, I guess 🙂 Starting July 1, 2023, I’m going to be charging $150 for a 30 minute general question session. You won’t be engaging me as your lawyer, and we will still have to run a conflicts check, but frequently I can help folks a lot in 30 minutes. Can’t guarantee it, but usually I can at least give you some direction or general thoughts about a general type of situation. If you don’t hear back from me quickly, it’s not because I don’t love you or think you have a great question or because I don’t know the answer (usually), I’m probably just really busy and haven’t had a chance to email back.  You can check out our firm’s Equine Law Group at www.rl-law.com if you’re interested, and yes, in addition to providing what I hope are interesting and informative stories and information, this blog is in some small way, I guess, also an advertisement for legal services.  I have to tell you that in bold, says the State Bar.

Have a great weekend.